AI Art in Games - Discussion Thread
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3 Years of Service
I think they will take a few years to get decent enough to be something desirable to the main market.
The user end technology needs to catch up with the physical requirements for real-time input and response that are of suffcent complexity to be useful for a 'gaming' use case.
Right now it's either very simple responses with short token lengths, which don't make for enjoyable games. Or it's a case of waiting for 5seconds-5 minutes for a more complex response.
Token length (the ability of the computer to 'remember' what is happening) and complex variable adjustment is also a factor that needs to be addressed.
Online servers can mitigate some of this, but locally ran (and thus private) AI games will require a generation or two of hardware improvement (capacity and capability) as well as model refinement (software specialization)
So...
Wait 5 years and you will be playing Zork, ad hoc lol
The user end technology needs to catch up with the physical requirements for real-time input and response that are of suffcent complexity to be useful for a 'gaming' use case.
Right now it's either very simple responses with short token lengths, which don't make for enjoyable games. Or it's a case of waiting for 5seconds-5 minutes for a more complex response.
Token length (the ability of the computer to 'remember' what is happening) and complex variable adjustment is also a factor that needs to be addressed.
Online servers can mitigate some of this, but locally ran (and thus private) AI games will require a generation or two of hardware improvement (capacity and capability) as well as model refinement (software specialization)
So...
Wait 5 years and you will be playing Zork, ad hoc lol
2 Years of Service
Ai games make me paranoid.
They report everything back to there masters.
I know privacy is dead and the goverment already know what you are into.
But an intern looking throught billions of files vs an ai looking through billions of files is different.
An ai can accauly do it within a human life time.
They report everything back to there masters.
I know privacy is dead and the goverment already know what you are into.
But an intern looking throught billions of files vs an ai looking through billions of files is different.
An ai can accauly do it within a human life time.
3 Years of Service
They are bad, as plain as it. Someone said "lazy". I think thats accurate. The ones i played are just the the minimum effort in art, and that effort didn't go to any other aspect of the game.
2 Years of Service
I think AI games are the future the only really bad ones are the ones that use AI to write and possibly even code parts as well. I think the games are just in their infancy Most AI games have been around for under a year and people are getting better at keeping the characters more consistent.
3 Years of Service
I am inerested to see what it brings, but I think it will still take a while
3 Years of Service
We're not there yet maybe in 10 years it will be good enough
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Im for it. Specially if in increases productivity and the quality of the renders.
2 Years of Service
for now it is not good but ı think by the time ıt will imrove
2 Years of Service
Would be great, but mostly AI games can have a limited lifespan.
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Well haven't seen a good one yet.
I think AI can help, but it shouldn't go on itself.
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I use chatgpt, but can't say I'm really happy with it. The best feature it has, is searching with context, something google sorely lacks. For example I want to search something with WPF, than stop showing me stuff with winforms. With Chatgpt you tell him, don't use winforms or system.drawing.dll, use WPF only. And it often gives you what you need. Unfortunately it often gives you things that are wrong or don't work.
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For example I want a combobox like component which was filled with the contents of an enum, and then it should give me the enum back. All fine, it worked, but not 100%, Chatgpt could get it to work 100%. But it still gave examples out that didn't really work. Using google for that would have been much more difficult, you need to filter out all the BS and advertising etc.
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Same with AI generated images, if it can help creating better looking images, why not, but still a good graphic designer, probably can make better use of it, than a newby.
I think AI can help, but it shouldn't go on itself.
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I use chatgpt, but can't say I'm really happy with it. The best feature it has, is searching with context, something google sorely lacks. For example I want to search something with WPF, than stop showing me stuff with winforms. With Chatgpt you tell him, don't use winforms or system.drawing.dll, use WPF only. And it often gives you what you need. Unfortunately it often gives you things that are wrong or don't work.
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For example I want a combobox like component which was filled with the contents of an enum, and then it should give me the enum back. All fine, it worked, but not 100%, Chatgpt could get it to work 100%. But it still gave examples out that didn't really work. Using google for that would have been much more difficult, you need to filter out all the BS and advertising etc.
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Same with AI generated images, if it can help creating better looking images, why not, but still a good graphic designer, probably can make better use of it, than a newby.
4 Years of Service
I don't even know if Gen 2 is going to be a drastic leap in quality. Though I assume that depends on how aggressively the AI gets trained. Future generations of AI though, should be intriguing to see the results from.
3 Years of Service
Gigantic majority are bad.
Look, it's great that now VN devs have an actual way to make 2D visual novels without spending money on 2D artists when they can't afford it. Or bloating the development time by trying to draw themselves.
However...
It always turns out the same. Character styles look the same. They feel the same because the artist uses similar AI models to what many use to generate the "AI Slop" that you can see on R34. Not to mention the fact that you NEED TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING. If any any chance you mess up the character designs and can't have characters with same appearance, you're cooked for good.
There is also the fact that AI images are restrictive. You can't generate everything you'd like to generate. Actual artists can make anything they want. AI art is restricted by the AI models and AI's ability to generate the scenes, costumes etc.
When it comes to AI games, I played only 2 that were good - Little Witch Academy and The Alchemist. Both of which came from the same person, both had fantastic and consistent character looks.
Look, it's great that now VN devs have an actual way to make 2D visual novels without spending money on 2D artists when they can't afford it. Or bloating the development time by trying to draw themselves.
However...
It always turns out the same. Character styles look the same. They feel the same because the artist uses similar AI models to what many use to generate the "AI Slop" that you can see on R34. Not to mention the fact that you NEED TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING. If any any chance you mess up the character designs and can't have characters with same appearance, you're cooked for good.
There is also the fact that AI images are restrictive. You can't generate everything you'd like to generate. Actual artists can make anything they want. AI art is restricted by the AI models and AI's ability to generate the scenes, costumes etc.
When it comes to AI games, I played only 2 that were good - Little Witch Academy and The Alchemist. Both of which came from the same person, both had fantastic and consistent character looks.
3 Years of Service
AI technology gets better all the time, and I expect that trend to continue, especially with art and animation. The software and hardware to make it work at peak capability is expensive, though, and I think that's why we haven't seen much widespread and readily available AI-created porn yet including adult games. Rest assured that will happen eventually, and virtual reality won't be far behind. There already is a lot of superior AI art and animation depicting models posing and dancing on the Internet, so good that many people mistake it for the real thing.
2 Years of Service
If you mean only the plot generation and not the graphical aspect, I experimented with the text generation myself and, with guidance and patience, it's possible to generate a whole text adventure assisted by the IA. The trick is to use it as a assistant tool not to pretend to autogenerate it all. The idea is you ask for a plot, then ask the AI to generate a single scene or even a small part like a description or a dialog or suggest different paths or chooses of a narrowed condition. Provide always the input of what you need and don't pretend the IA remember what it generated 4-5 iterations before.
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